V. sorry for the silence, I've been a bit busy to do much other than occasionally take the mickey out of Cybernats elsewhere.
One thing which occurred to me is this: "Too poor. Too wee. Too weak."
Such is the mantra which Nats accuse Unionists of continually throwing.
The thing is, when and who?
(BTW, this is someone who has accessed a database of the main parties' general election manifestoes, and I know they say no such thing.)
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QUIZ TIME
Who used the phrase 'iceland on the clyde' whilst giving evidence in a recent select committee?
Which taxpayer funded UK Government Department recently publicised a paper which suggested that Scotland runs a fiscal dficit but didn't include oil revenues?
Which unionist party has a policy of giving the Scottish people a say on their fiscal and constitutional future?
Which current Scottish Office Special Advisor, who was quizzed by police amid the 'cash for honours' allegations described Scotland as "narrow, presbyterian, racist"?
tbc
"Who used the phrase 'iceland on the clyde' whilst giving evidence in a recent select committee?"
No idea, but it sounds accurate.
"Which taxpayer funded UK Government Department recently publicised a paper which suggested that Scotland runs a fiscal dficit but didn't include oil revenues?"
None of them. The Scotland Office papers do include oil revenues. Actually read them, Muttley?
BTW GERS shows a deficit too. Now proclaimed by the Nats as "the true picture". Curious.
"Which unionist party has a policy of giving the Scottish people a say on their fiscal and constitutional future?"
All of them. We have these things called "General Elections".
"Which current Scottish Office Special Advisor, who was quizzed by police amid the 'cash for honours' allegations described Scotland as "narrow, presbyterian, racist"?"
No idea, but again if you don't recognise those words as relating to some very real features of Scotland you are deluded.
Now, nice attempt at a diversion, but who actually said the "too poor" etc thing again?
Nobody?
Very lazy, who has said that the unionist have said those terms, where your links old fruit?
Don't you argue that Scotland is too poor and too wee for independence and would be better off in the union?
Or maybe it was Rufus, with all your multiple monikers I do sometimes get you confused.
Why can't you just stick to identifiable replacement ones when you get banned, like I do.
The UK government has rejected calls to remove an “anti-Scottish” verse from the British National Anthem to make it more inclusive.
Lord Goldsmith, the former attorney general who led Gordon Brown’s review of British citizenship, had suggested that a verse calling for “rebellious Scots” to be crushed ought to be rewritten.
His remarks provoked speculation that the little-known stanza in God Save the Queen, written during the Jacobite uprising of 1745, was likely to be altered or officially disowned.
However, Labour has now confirmed there is no prospect of the National Anthem being changed, insisting it was a source of pride for people across the UK.
Goldsmith raised questions about the future of the anthem when he launched a review of British citizenship and values, commissioned by the prime minister in 2007.
“There’s some problems with part of it [God Save the Queen], absolutely,” he said. “Part of it is not that inclusive. Some people have suggested we might think about whether there are different words that might be put in place which would be more inclusive.”
Goldsmith referred to the verse written in tribute to Marshal George Wade, the commander-in-chief of George II’s Hanoverian forces, which states: “Lord grant that Marshal Wade, May by thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God Save the King.”
Last week the UK Ministry of Justice said that while dropping the contentious verse had been considered it had now been ruled out.
The announcement has provoked a chorus of disapproval in Scotland.
Fiona Hyslop, the Scottish culture minister, said she hoped the offending verse would be consigned to history, with or without the help of the UK government. “Thankfully, it is many years since this offensive verse has been sung,” she said.
David Ward, the English-born convener of the Glasgow branch of the Saltire Society, which promotes Scottish culture, said Brown had missed an opportunity to resolve a long-standing source of grievance.
But Andrew Roberts, the author of A History of the English-Speaking Peoples since 1900, said that tinkering with the anthem would have been a pointless exercise in political correctness.
“We shouldn’t change this verse, we should just ignore it as we have done for so long,” he said.
The issue became a political talking point in the 1980s when Billy Connolly raised it in his televised “An Audience With . . .” performance, which attracted millions of viewers.
“It’s an appalling song, and it’s racist,” said the comedian. “The fourth verse is all about Marshal Wade coming up to give us a belt in the mouth.”
Wasn't much of AM2's blog devoted to arguing that this verse wasn't in the official anthem?
Dear oh Dear, it appears that the UK's own anthem is indeed 'racist' to paraphrase Connelly.
"Don't you argue that Scotland is too poor and too wee for independence"
No.
"and would be better off in the union?"
Yes.
There is a clear logical difference. See it?
"Dear oh Dear, it appears that the UK's own anthem is indeed 'racist' to paraphrase Connelly."
Yes, I saw that in the Sunday Murdoch and yawned so much I hurt my jaw.
http://nat-mythbusting.blogspot.com/2009/07/god-save-queen-is-anti-scottish.html
In my experience it's always nats that raise the "to poor, too wee etc.." whinge, usually when they are losin an argument (which is often) and usually saying that they heard a "unionist" say it first, but never able to give any indication of which "unionist", or where or when they said it..
This leads me to conclude that it's a nationalist mantra, and no-one ele's, and it expresses their secret fears and deepest feelings, as Dr McFreud would have said if he were alive today...
You are Alex Salmond and I claim my £5....
Remind me, what was it that Donald Dewar once said about an independent Scotland being poorer than Bangladesh?
(Since Albania is richer than Bangladesh I presume an independent Scotland would be recieiving food parcels from Tirana?)
"Remind me, what was it that Donald Dewar once said about an independent Scotland being poorer than Bangladesh?"
Where? When? Source?
BH
"You are Alex Salmond and I claim my £5...."
That would be £9000, wouldn't it?
Supposedly either back in the 70's or the Usher Hall debate in 1992. Seems to be conflicting accounts.
Can you check "Battle for Scotland". It should say one way or another - my copy is still with my parents.
Nothing apparent in my copy of Marr.
Maybe it is one of those comments ascribed to him like "nationalist shibboleth" although that quote is also ascribed to Brian "Same name but none of the talent as the Beach Boy" Wilson.
I've met BW a few times. Don't know about his singing, but he is very pleasant and, as far as I could tell, pretty astute.
Which is borne out by his CV.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6832197.ece
I've just read that article - someone with a serious amount of hinterland, even though some of his past causes seem a bit mutually incompatible.
Now, back to topic - we still have no relevant "too poor" etc quotes?
Mr sm753,
You are an awful man!
Of course nobody but nats say Scotland is "Too poor. Too wee. Too weak".
Those whose politics are based on nationalism, essentially an infantile disorder, seem unable to understand a contrary position so feel compelled to make one up.
What we see when cybernats trot out this line is their very limited imagination and an almost non-existant understanding of politics or political beliefs.
There seems to be very little political analysis in nationalism, merely a series of prejudices with an underlying whiff of bigotry. They demonstrate no understanding of anything outwith their own limited political vocabulary. Their political language and ideas are as parochial as their world view.
Which may explain why they ascribe their own prejudices and bigotry to their opponents - in their view opposition to separatism is not down to a belief that it is in Scotland's best interests but because those who advocate it hate Scotland.
It is weird cultish nonsense which feeds off paranoia, myth and bigotry.
Well I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest Grahamski.
Better out than in as my granny always said.
Of course it's gibberish, people who support independence are not a homogenous group politically, and very few of them actually resemble Mcglashan, although I admit there are a few on the Hootsman.
Still, that rant should have lowered your blood pressure a wee bit, your GP will be pleased.
"I've been a bit busy to do much other than occasionally take the mickey out of Cybernats elsewhere...."
Too bad you're not better at it. Try harder? =)
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